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Over the weekend the All Blacks suffered a record defeat, going down 43-10 to the Springboks in Wellington while conceding 36 unanswered second half points.
Questions are being asked around the leadership of the side - including of captain Scott Barrett around what his role should be.
Piney spoke with former All Black captain Reuben Thorne to hear his thoughts on captaining the All Blacks.
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