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Helen Clark says the future of the AUKUS security pact remains very uncertain.
The Pentagon's reviewing the agreement between Australia, the UK, and the US to ensure it meets Donald Trump's America First agenda.
It's still unclear what that might mean for New Zealand's potential involvement.
But Clark —the former Prime Minister and UNDP Head— told Ryan Bridge there's a chance Trump could scrap the pact altogether.
She says the leaders of all three countries have changed since the agreement was signed, and the US has become increasingly unpredictable.
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