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'Tell the truth': Swarbrick responds after accusing PM of 'demonstrable lie',

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Adam Pearse,
Publish Date
Wed, 13 Dec 2023, 2:55pm

'Tell the truth': Swarbrick responds after accusing PM of 'demonstrable lie',

Author
Adam Pearse,
Publish Date
Wed, 13 Dec 2023, 2:55pm

Prime Minister Christopher Luxon鈥檚 return to Question Time has begun with Green MP Chloe Swarbrick refusing to apologise for calling statements made by Luxon as a 鈥渄emonstrable lie鈥.

It came amid questions from Greens co-leader Marama Davidson to Luxon about the Government鈥檚 climate change policies and recent comments by NZ First Minister Shane Jones, who doubted New Zealand would meet climate change targets.

As Luxon was speaking, Auckland Central MP Swarbrick could be heard saying Luxon鈥檚 comments were a 鈥渄emonstrable lie鈥.

Accusing an MP of lying within the House was considered out of order and normally ended in the comment being withdrawn and an apology being offered.

However, Speaker of the House Gerry Brownlee didn鈥檛 hear the comment so said it was up to Swarbrick to apologise if she said it. Swarbrick initially refused before claiming that her comment was in reference to the substance of the Government鈥檚 policies, not directed at Luxon himself.

Swarbrick received a warning from Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters, who cited consequences if her comment was picked up by the House鈥檚 recording system, which could be going before the Privileges Committee.

Speaking after Question Time, Swarbrick didn鈥檛 answer directly when asked whether Luxon was a liar.

鈥淒emonstrably, the content of that statement, as I said in the House, was a lie so far as there is an inconsistency between the flowery rhetoric that is being used and what is necessary to keep us from 1.5 degrees of warming.鈥

She also wasn鈥檛 clear on whether she would apologise if her actions meant she could be brought in front of the Privileges Committee.

鈥淯ltimately, my point is that we have a responsibility as parliamentarians to tell the truth and I鈥檒l work through any of the consequences that come through in the house as is necessary to keep the focus on the climate crisis and the existential threat that that poses to humanity and to all of the biodiversity that this government sends intent on bringing down with us.鈥

Following Swarbrick鈥檚 comment in the House, Labour leader Chris Hipkins continued on his mission to point out differences between the Government鈥檚 policies and National鈥檚 former policy positions, this time about the firearms registry.

Reviewing New Zealand鈥檚 firearm legislation was housed in National and Act鈥檚 coalition deal.

Hipkins asked whether he agreed with the review of the registry or whether he agreed with National鈥檚 Mark Mitchell who had previously said the registry was justified.

Luxon said he agreed to review the registry to ensure it was working effectively.

Greens MP Chloe Swarbrick could be heard saying Luxon鈥檚 comments were a 鈥渄emonstrable lie鈥. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Greens MP Chloe Swarbrick could be heard saying Luxon鈥檚 comments were a 鈥渄emonstrable lie鈥. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Hipkins then asked Luxon whether he agreed with Act leader David Seymour, who said the coalition Government could 鈥減erhaps proceed鈥 with his Treaty Principles Bill or whether he stood by his former comments that it wouldn鈥檛 go further than the first reading.

Luxon restated the agreement made in the coalition deal, that the bill would be supported through to first reading.

Hipkins asked if the first example of the new Government鈥檚 attempt to reduce waste to to introduce a bill it didn鈥檛 intend to support.

Luxon quipped back that it was 鈥渞ich鈥 for Hipkins to talk about waste given what he described as Labour鈥檚 wasteful spending while in power.

Today鈥檚 Question Time comes as members and supporters of the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions gather outside Parliament to protest against the Government鈥檚 plan to introduce legislation to repeal Fair Pay Agreements.

The protest, planned to start before midday, follows the delivery of a petition, signed by more than 14,000 people protesting the axing of Fair Pay Agreements, which made it easier for workers to band together to negotiate wages and working conditions.

鈥淲e are not going to sit on our hands while this Government takes away the biggest progress for workers in a generation,鈥 Council of Trade Unions president Richard Wagstaff said in a statement yesterday.

鈥淭he Government will hear our voice loud and strong against this move, which its own officials say would disproportionately impact women, M膩ori, Pacific people, young people and disabled people.鈥

More than 100 people have gathered in front of Parliament to hear from union representatives, workers and MPs who opposed the Government scrapping FPAs.

Several MPs from Labour, the Greens and Te P膩ti M膩ori came out of Parliament to speak to the crowd.

New Green MP Efeso Collins said the Government鈥檚 100-day plan was 鈥100 days of nonsense鈥 and said the repealing was stealing people鈥檚 Christmas and stealing from the next generation鈥檚 future.

Te P膩ti M膩ori co-leader Debbie Ngarewa-Packer said she had never been so disgusted with a government, aside from the one involved in the Foreshore and Seabed issue.

Labour Workplace Relations spokeswoman Camila Belich promised to reinstate FPAs when Labour returned to government.

The House moved into urgency last night as the coalition Government looked to rush through the repeal process of some laws Labour introduced while in power.

Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden believes FPAs are blunt tools to increase wages. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Workplace Relations Minister Brooke van Velden believes FPAs are blunt tools to increase wages. Photo / Mark Mitchell

The House was currently in the final stages of debating the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (Economic Objective) Amendment Bill, which would remove the bank鈥檚 requirement to focus on lowering unemployment and instead solely focus on returning inflation to the 1-3 per cent target band.

On Monday, Cabinet confirmed it would repeal the Fair Pay Agreements and extend 90-day work trials to include all businesses before Christmas.

Fair Pay Agreements were introduced by the Labour-majority Government just over a year ago. National and Act opposed it, saying it was 鈥渃ompulsory unionism鈥 that harmed productivity.

Meanwhile, 90-day trials for businesses were first introduced under John Key鈥檚 National-led Government for businesses with fewer than 20 employees before it was extended to all businesses in 2010, a move then opposed vehemently and described by union leaders as the 鈥渂iggest labour shake-up in 20 years鈥.

Labour in 2018 restored the trials to businesses with under 20 employees, among other measures, but now the new Government has vowed to return it to the original legislation.

National and Act both strongly opposed the Labour moves during its time in government and the policies were included in their coalition agreement. The policies are not mentioned in National鈥檚 agreement with NZ First.

Adam Pearse is a political reporter in the NZ Herald Press Gallery team, based at Parliament. He has worked for 九一星空无限 since 2018, covering sport and health for the Northern Advocate in Whang膩rei before moving to the NZ Herald in Auckland, covering Covid-19 and crime.

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