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Greens want to lead Govt, Hipkins not interested in 'arguing' with them

Author
Jamie Ensor,
Publish Date
Sun, 10 Aug 2025, 2:08pm

Greens want to lead Govt, Hipkins not interested in 'arguing' with them

Author
Jamie Ensor,
Publish Date
Sun, 10 Aug 2025, 2:08pm

The Greens have expressed their desire to lead the next Government, with the political party鈥檚 co-leaders this weekend calling for 鈥渢ransformational change鈥 and a future driven by Te Tiriti o Waitangi.

The party鈥檚 Annual General Meeting (AGM) held in Wellington this weekend included speeches from Marama Davidson and Chl枚e Swarbrick, both of whom implored members to take action and make change.

Davidson on Saturday spoke of the importance of Te Tiriti to the party and how it was a 鈥渂lueprint for bringing us together鈥.

鈥淲e have seen this play out on the ground in real ways. We can see it in the multi generations that have carried the growing movement for Tiriti justice,鈥 she said.

Davidson said New Zealanders had the ability to 鈥渢ake back control鈥 and build 鈥渢he most progressive Government Aotearoa has ever seen鈥.

鈥淲e鈥檙e not here to just lead the Opposition, we are here because we want to lead the next Government,鈥 she said.

That followed comments Swarbrick made to the Herald this week, in which she suggested the Greens were leading the Opposition.

Labour leader Chris Hipkins responded to that on Sunday morning, saying he was more interested in what the Government was doing than 鈥渁rguing with the Greens鈥.

鈥淭hey鈥檙e hardly going to show up and say, look we鈥檙e just a junior version of Labour, are they? I mean, they鈥檙e gonna want to differentiate themselves. That鈥檚 what political parties do in election campaigns.

鈥淏ut I think we need some fresh thinking. We can鈥檛 just reheat things that Labour and the Greens were doing when we were in Government last time. We鈥檝e actually got to have some new ideas.鈥

Greens co-leaders Chl枚e Swarbrick (left) and Marama Davidson are aiming to lead the next Government. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Greens co-leaders Chl枚e Swarbrick (left) and Marama Davidson are aiming to lead the next Government. Photo / Mark Mitchell

In her speech on Sunday afternoon, Swarbrick repeatedly reminded those in attendance to 鈥渢ake a breath鈥, acknowledging people are 鈥渁ngry鈥.

鈥淭here鈥檚 a lot going on in our world. Genocide. Exploitation. Harm and hurt and pain. There鈥檚 a lot going on at home.鈥 she said.

鈥淏ut every breath can remind us that all human beings, ultimately, are built of the same stuff. We all come from the same planet, and to that planet we will ultimately return.鈥

She said it鈥檚 common for people to accuse 鈥渢he other side and people who vote for the other side鈥 of being 鈥渋diots鈥, and 鈥渨e can鈥檛 blame regular people for switching off from that鈥.

鈥淚f we can鈥檛 understand why people do the things that they do, then the logic tends to flow [that] they鈥檙e wrong and they just don鈥檛 get it. That鈥檚 clearly not a winning formula.

鈥淔or most people, forced to fight for daily survival 鈥 for a spot on the GP waitlist, for a decent job and a faint hope that one day you might be able to take the kids on holiday 鈥 where鈥檚 the energy left for the whole politics thing?

鈥淢ost New Zealanders lament politics. They straight-up hate it.鈥

Greens co-leader Chl枚e Swarbrick has asked members to consider where they place their energy. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Greens co-leader Chl枚e Swarbrick has asked members to consider where they place their energy. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Swarbrick said politics was 鈥渄esigned to outrage鈥 and if 鈥渞egular people are fighting each other, it鈥檚 propping up this system鈥.

鈥淭he Green Party is a vehicle for political change 鈥 the big ideas factory 鈥 inside of our current electoral system. We don鈥檛 pretend to be entitled to anything. We invite people into this movement because we want them to own it as much as we do.鈥

She asked people to consider where to 鈥渋nvest your valuable energy and focus鈥.

鈥淥n winning debates or changing our world? On being right, or building relationships? On being comfortable, or growing?

鈥淗ow do we get a mass of exhausted regular people, fed up with politics, to engage and organise with a bunch of earnest nerds 鈥 that鈥檚 us, guys 鈥 to win power against some of the most well-funded and unscrupulous industries and political actors?鈥

By practicing 鈥渙ur values, every day, in ways big and small鈥, Swarbrick said people can help 鈥渃reate the most progressive Government Aotearoa has ever seen鈥.

Labour leader Chris Hipkins is more interested in what the Government's doing than "arguing with the Greens". Photo / Mark Mitchell
Labour leader Chris Hipkins is more interested in what the Government's doing than "arguing with the Greens". Photo / Mark Mitchell

If the Greens want to lead the next left-leaning Government, they will have to make up ground against Labour, which is by far the biggest party on the left.

The July Taxpayers鈥 Union-Curia poll showed Labour was on 31.6%, compared to the Greens 9.4%. On that poll, the centre-right parties could still govern.

However, despite that polling chasm, Swarbrick told the Herald this week that the Greens were leading the Opposition in driving the political agenda.

The party has recently produced an alternative Budget, a fiscal strategy, identified a 鈥渉ole鈥 in the Government鈥檚 books and commissioned legal advice finding that gas field contingency funding could breach an international trade agreement (the latter two have both been disputed by ministers).

鈥淚鈥檓 stoked with the mahi [work] that we have done to show people the issues that this Government is creating for us, but also how we would solve those issues,鈥 Swarbrick said.

鈥淚鈥檓 proud of the work that we鈥檝e done. That can only be a positive thing. We are setting the agenda, we are contributing positively to the debate, and that is exciting people. That鈥檚 a good thing.鈥

She said the Greens had held a consistent position on tax, pointing to its wealth-tax proposal at the 2020 and 2023 election, which is also in its alternative Budget.

Hipkins on Sunday, however, spoke of the importance of 鈥渇resh ideas鈥.

Labour is mostly keeping tight-lipped on any policy proposals, wanting to leave that to closer to the election to ensure its ideas reflect the latest circumstances.

A tax policy is expected sometime nearer the end of the year, but Hipkins said that鈥檚 just one part of the picture.

鈥淲e鈥檝e actually got to look at the broader picture of how do we make sure that New Zealanders who go out and work hard every day can actually get ahead and create a better life for themselves,鈥 he said.

鈥淚 think there鈥檚 a lot of Kiwis out there working really hard, flogging their guts out of the moment to feel like they鈥檙e going backwards all of the time. That is what motivates me to get out of bed every morning. I think we can do better.鈥

Jamie Ensor is a political reporter in the NZ Herald press gallery team based at Parliament. He was previously a TV reporter and digital producer in the 九一星空无限hub press gallery office. In 2025, he was a finalist for Political Journalist of the Year at the Voyager Media Awards.

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