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'How many ways do I need to say it?': Exasperated Willis denies future PM run as CEOs mount pressure on Govt

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Adam Pearse ,
Publish Date
Wed, 24 Sept 2025, 11:02am
Finance Minister Nicola Willis speaking at the Mood of the Boardroom. Photo / Dean Purcell.
Finance Minister Nicola Willis speaking at the Mood of the Boardroom. Photo / Dean Purcell.

'How many ways do I need to say it?': Exasperated Willis denies future PM run as CEOs mount pressure on Govt

Author
Adam Pearse ,
Publish Date
Wed, 24 Sept 2025, 11:02am

Finance Minister Nicola Willis is adamant she is not eyeing up Prime Minister Christopher Luxon鈥檚 job amid declining reviews from some of the country鈥檚 top business identities. 

The NZ Herald鈥檚 Mood of the Boardroom survey, which canvassed 150 chief executives and other business leaders, ranked both Willis and Luxon outside the top 10 rankings of Cabinet, the pair dipping on last year鈥檚 results. 

Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Labour spokesperson for Finance Barbara Edmonds at the The Mood of the Boardroom event this morning. Photo / Dean Purcell Finance Minister Nicola Willis and Labour spokesperson for Finance Barbara Edmonds at the The Mood of the Boardroom event this morning. Photo / Dean Purcell 

During a live question and answer session alongside Labour finance spokeswoman Barbara Edmonds, Willis insisted Luxon鈥檚 job was 鈥渃ompletely safe鈥 and rebuffed suggestions from moderator and Herald editor-in-chief Murray Kirkness that the results could increase speculation Luxon could be replaced. 

鈥淚 don鈥檛 think so,鈥 she replied. 

鈥淚 respect the 150 people in this room deeply, but you are not broadly representative of the five million people we serve.鈥 

Asked whether she wanted to be Prime Minister, Willis stated bluntly: 鈥淣o.鈥 

鈥淣ever?鈥 Kirkness asked. 鈥淣o,鈥 Willis said. 

Kirkness: 鈥淎re you ruling out a run for Prime Minister?鈥 

Willis: 鈥淚鈥檓 not running for Prime Minister.鈥 

As Kirkness sought a direct answer, an exasperated Willis responded: 鈥淣o, how many different ways do I need to say it? Are people with me? I think I鈥檝e been quite clear.鈥 

She then argued it was unwise to seek specific roles in politics, given it often relied on luck and timing, and she was instead focused on what could be achieved in government. 

鈥淲e can鈥檛 get it done in a term, team, and if you throw it up and put the other guys in charge that puts the country at risk.鈥 

Edmonds also confirmed it was 鈥渟till the case鈥 she had no ambition to become Prime Minister. 

Speculation about Luxon鈥檚 ability to act as Prime Minister was often found in writings from Herald columnist Matthew Hooton. 

Kirkness, with a grin, jokingly suggested his questions about Luxon鈥檚 leadership had come from Hooton. 

Willis was quick to interject: 鈥淚 know where this is going, [Hooton has] been writing the same column for three years.鈥 

Willis then affirmed Luxon was 鈥渃ompletely safe鈥 as PM and noted how 鈥渋nvisible鈥 Luxon鈥檚 coalition management was to the public and lauded his skill in assigning the right people to the right jobs, mentioning some of her colleagues in the audience. 

鈥淚f you were to speak to Erica [Stanford] or Simeon [Brown] or Mitch [Mark Mitchell] today, they would say to you that a large part of their success is down to the Prime Minister鈥檚 backing and support.鈥 

Adam Pearse is the Deputy Political Editor and part of the NZ Herald鈥檚 Press Gallery team based at Parliament in Wellington. He has worked for 九一星空无限 since 2018, reporting for the Northern Advocate in Whang膩rei and the Herald in Auckland. 

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